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ok don't judge me here lol

3:29 AM

    Ever question God
    Attempt to make political decisions without asking for facts and using her brain
    Question her sexuallity, gender or any such nonsense
    Conceal thoughts from me

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those are the rules

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my friend's tulpa said they looked good

Do you have any sense of how your tulpa feels about those rules?

"Ever question God"?

I don't know....my Tulpa is roughly 48hrs old and so far as I can tell the only thing she's said, at least in her voice, is hello

Are these things to do or not?

things NOT to do

Not just speech. Have you felt her emotions?

...those are stupid

...I see.

how would you feel if your parents fed that to you?

I would feel fine

setting rules is reasonable, but those rules are somewhat questionable

those were my rules when I grew up

3:32 AM

and I was fine with them

3:32 AM

ffs don't make this a religious argument

I'm afraid I will need to judge you here - questioning anything should be valid. I would ask, if you are certain that they are correct then why require a lack of questioning?

@Blitzeen I don't know...It's been a stressful couple of days but AFAIK she hasn't really responded emotionally

Entirely separating any specific rule from this - questioning things is good.

@SkyeNet because I've read horror stories about tulpas basically rebelling mentally and I'm not ok with that

horror stories are just that, stories.

Indeed.

honestly, your approach of trying to lock everything down is way more likely to result in a negative relationship.

yeah, tulpas don't really do that

Treating somebody with care and respect - appreciating their differences as much as their similarities - that leads to a positive relationship.

3:34 AM

If you disagree, respectfully discuss things.

@bduddy #Diana# I know that....I guess I don't mind if she deviates...but I can't function without straightforward instructions

She may not.

3:34 AM

She may function well without them.

it certainly sounds like you would mind. If not, why have those rules in the first place?

This is less for her sake and more for mine because without a pretty specific picture of all this I can't visualize her or anything

Have you read the guides on tulpa.info? They can be really helpful and straightforward

I have

3:35 AM

I'm still not really sure

you can't visualize her without setting restrictions on her opinions?

not that

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those are mainly for later once she becomes sentient enough to respond

3:36 AM

lemme post my whole thing

Quite frankly, imposing beliefs on a person is not a positive relationship.

3:36 AM

That holds true regardless of what the beliefs are.

I know that but she's living in my mind, listening to my thoughts, so there are certain limitations she's subject to that real people aren't simply because of physiology

of course. Why impose additional ones yourself then?

Precisely.

I don’t think it would hurt if you forgot your rules for a couple of days and continued with the process. How can you know that you wouldn’t be able to visualise her without them if you haven’t tried? You can always bring them back if you really need to, I guess.

Indeed.

Realistically I'm not actually using the rules rn...they're just written down for later

@9 Mil + Ika Making it a "rule" that your tulpa will not question those things isn't going to result in anything good, and trying to make those things a rule probably won't be effective either

you either have them, or you don't.

OK I DON'T

...I will also point out - just because you tell somebody "Don't question this" - does not mean they will not question it.

They're simply ideas to discuss with her when she becomes sentient

Okay.

can we please focus on actually getting to that point

What is the point we are looking to get to? (edited)

sentience, it would seem

Sorry, I'm out of the picture a bit here (edited)

yes

3:41 AM

to where she can respond

where?

I expect it'll take at least a week although I'll happily accept an earlier timeframe

...there are very, very good reasons that this is being focused on - I won't address it further beyond this point, but the reason that I am personally focusing on it (at the very least) is because making a tulpa is, for all practical intents and purposes, permanent. Establishing the general principles behind positive treatment of the tulpa is extremely important as it will shape the interactions even before they are capable of responding (as well as afterwards).

3:41 AM

Ah... a week is actually fairly optimistic.

honestly can't give you an answer on this one, it will take however long it takes. Less than a year, maybe?

really?

Yes.

the possible range is huge

I was under the impression it my be 2-3 weeks before they would return inputs

and it is a super subjective thing that depends on a ton of factors

although I was of course hoping for sooner

Habits take longer than two weeks to form, and making a tulpa is attempting to make something significantly more complicated than a habit - even if it was only considered a behavioral change.

it could very well take 2 to 3 weeks

That would be pretty accurate given general trends in the tulpa community lately

A first response within several weeks isn't unreasonable - consistent and reliable responses, on the other hand, easily will take longer. (edited)

A range of a few weeks is very common nowadays where in the past a few months was more typical. Mostly due to a shift in forcing methods used

has there been research done on the average time and variance for sentience? I'd actually be quite curious about that

it could be tomorrow, it could be a couple months.

Mm. Depends on the definition of sentience, I suppose - but after doing further research, I do really question whether genuine autonomy is even possible for something like a tulpa when simpler behavior changes take multiple weeks (as a short length).

Yeah, I wonder about the sentience I’d walk-in tulpas.

3:44 AM

Of*

But then, if parroted speech according to a preconcieved idea of a tulpa is considered 'sentience', naturally tulpas can appear instantaneously.

3:45 AM

In any case.

I'm curious Winter, how long did it take you to become aware after the start of your creation? If you were created intentionally, that is

I certainly would not recommend expecting that it will take a short time.

ehhhh I've been using parrotting as a method of forcing, mostly to try and get her voice down

@Abvieon {Alex} N/A.

It's okay to be hopeful that it will take a short time

Expectations can influence the actual outcome to some degree

just be prepared to spend longer as well

Oh, certainly. Hopefulness is wonderful.

3:46 AM

Expectations of speed causes inaccuracy.

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(Also a generally applicable rule.)

so I want to spend some time forcing tonight

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last night I was doing the narrating

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so since I am a gunsmith (edited)

Forcing every day is the best advice I can give

indeed

For forcing, the most basic idea is to give them as much and as varied of experience as you can.

Consistency is key to faster development